dusenie motora X30XE

[macil]

Samozrejme. Stačí trafiť správny typ sondy, zvyšok sa dá prispôsobiť.
Ale doteraz som aj ja žil v nevedomosti. :oops:

[dulo]

Takže nejaké nové zistenia.
Omega 3,0 očividne neudáva správnu teplotu motora na palubovke.
Po cca 20 min. jazde bola teplota na palubovke 95 stupňov, na diagnostike 59 :!:
Taktiež mi nesedí dobíjanie: hodnota podľa diagnostiky cca 13 V, s väčšou 66 Ah baterkou okolo 13,5-13,6V

Omega 2,5 po cca 5 min. jazde ukazovala prakticky rovnakú teplotu, ako udáva diagnostika, to bolo 82 stupňov.
Taktiež dobíjanie: hodnota okolo 14,0-14,1V

dám tu aj niekoľko údajov z diagnostiky podľa času, kedy som ich robil.

ešte jedna vec: Omega 3,0 aj pri zohriatom motore stále pri naštartovaní zapína prídavné vháňanie vzduchu do motora. Stále.

[Kajo]

Vidíš vidíš.
Vymeníš snímač teploty motora a 50% problémov bude het.
To znamená, že rj stále obohacuje zmes, auto ide na sýtič.

Potom už len dať dokopy tie lambdy.

[macil]

Takže nejaké nové zistenia.
Omega 3,0 očividne neudáva správnu teplotu motora na palubovke.

Povedal by som, že naopak. Na palubovke máš správnu teplotu. Vadné bude zrejme čidlo teploty pre RJ, ktorého hodnotu ukazuje aj OP-COM. Pravdepodobne aj preto tá vyššia spotreba a spínanie prídavného vzduchu.

[dulo]

Studený motor 3,0 hned po naštartovaní

Battery Voltage,13.9 V
Immobiliser Signal,Received
Immobiliser,Active
TPS Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0.45 V
Simulated Idle Position,Active
Simulated Full Load Switch,Inactive
Mass Air Flow Sensor,1.35 V
Mass Air Flow Sensor,42 kg/h
Coolant Temperature,3.47 V
Coolant Temperature,22 °C
Intake Air Temperature,3.29 V
Intake Air Temperature,26 °C
Engine Type,6 Cylinder
Transmission Coding,Automatic Transmission
Park/Neutral Switch,P - N 0V
A/C Information Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
A/C Compressor Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
Telltale (Check Light),Off 12V
Fuel Pump Relay,Active 0V
Spark Angle before TDC (Top Dead Centre),3 °CA
Ignition Coil Cyl. 1+4 (Cylinder),Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 2+5,Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 3+6 (Cylinder),Load
Knock Signal,Inactive
Knock Retard,0 °CA
Secondary Air Pump Relay,Inactive 12V
EGR Valve (Exhaust-Gas Recirculation),Inactive
EGR Position Feedback (Exhaust Gas Recirculation),0.68 V
Fuel Tank Ventilation Valve,0 %
O2 Sensor 1,254 mV
O2 Sensor 2,146 mV
O2 Sensor Loop 1,Open
O2 Sensor Loop 2,Open
Air/Fuel Ratio 1,Lean
Air/Fuel Ratio 2,Lean
O2-Loop 1 Integrator,128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 Integrator,128
O2-Loop 1 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 1 BLM Partial Load (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Partial Load(Block Learn Map),128 Steps
Hall Sensor,Inactive
Engine Speed Pulse,Inactive
Engine Speed,1 346 RPM
Idle Air Control,115 Steps
IAC Integrator (Idle Air Control),121 Steps
IAC Adaptation Slope (Idle Air Control),132 Steps
IAC Block Learn (Idle Air Control),128 Steps
Desired Idle Air,37 kg/h
Actual Value Idle Air,36 kg/h
Desired Engine Idle Speed,1 350 RPM
Injection Pulse,4.7 ms
Engine Load Signal,1.9 ms
TPS Load Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0 %
Vehicle Speed Pulse,Not Received 12V
Vehicle Speed,0 km/h
Intake Manifold Valve 1,Inactive 12V
Intake Manifold Valve 2,Inactive 12V
Torque Control,Inactive
A/C Cutoff Relay (Air Conditioning),Inactive 12V
Diagnostic Request,Inactive 5V

motor 3,0 po cca 10 minútovej jazde

Identifier,1D
Battery Voltage,13.3 V
Immobiliser Signal,Received
Immobiliser,Active
TPS Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0.43 V
Simulated Idle Position,Active
Simulated Full Load Switch,Inactive
Mass Air Flow Sensor,1.05 V
Mass Air Flow Sensor,26 kg/h
Coolant Temperature,2.67 V
Coolant Temperature,41 °C
Intake Air Temperature,3.22 V
Intake Air Temperature,27 °C
Engine Type,6 Cylinder
Transmission Coding,Automatic Transmission
Park/Neutral Switch,P - N 0V
A/C Information Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
A/C Compressor Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
Telltale (Check Light),Off 12V
Fuel Pump Relay,Active 0V
Spark Angle before TDC (Top Dead Centre),-5 °CA
Ignition Coil Cyl. 1+4 (Cylinder),Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 2+5,Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 3+6 (Cylinder),Load
Knock Signal,Inactive
Knock Retard,0 °CA
Secondary Air Pump Relay,Inactive 12V
EGR Valve (Exhaust-Gas Recirculation),Inactive
EGR Position Feedback (Exhaust Gas Recirculation),0.66 V
Fuel Tank Ventilation Valve,0 %
O2 Sensor 1,146 mV
O2 Sensor 2,449 mV
O2 Sensor Loop 1,Closed
O2 Sensor Loop 2,Closed
Air/Fuel Ratio 1,Lean
Air/Fuel Ratio 2,Lean
O2-Loop 1 Integrator,138 Steps
O2-Loop 2 Integrator,120
O2-Loop 1 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 1 BLM Partial Load (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Partial Load(Block Learn Map),128 Steps
Hall Sensor,Inactive
Engine Speed Pulse,Active
Engine Speed,979 RPM
Idle Air Control,125 Steps
IAC Integrator (Idle Air Control),120 Steps
IAC Adaptation Slope (Idle Air Control),146 Steps
IAC Block Learn (Idle Air Control),128 Steps
Desired Idle Air,21 kg/h
Actual Value Idle Air,21 kg/h
Desired Engine Idle Speed,940 RPM
Injection Pulse,3.9 ms
Engine Load Signal,1.4 ms
TPS Load Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0 %
Vehicle Speed Pulse,Received
Vehicle Speed,0 km/h
Intake Manifold Valve 1,Inactive 12V
Intake Manifold Valve 2,Inactive 12V
Torque Control,Inactive
A/C Cutoff Relay (Air Conditioning),Inactive 12V
Diagnostic Request,Inactive 5V

Identifier,1D
Battery Voltage,13.5 V
Immobiliser Signal,Received
Immobiliser,Active
TPS Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0.43 V
Simulated Idle Position,Active
Simulated Full Load Switch,Inactive
Mass Air Flow Sensor,0.95 V
Mass Air Flow Sensor,21 kg/h
Coolant Temperature,2.55 V
Coolant Temperature,43 °C
Intake Air Temperature,3.16 V
Intake Air Temperature,29 °C
Engine Type,6 Cylinder
Transmission Coding,Automatic Transmission
Park/Neutral Switch,P - N 0V
A/C Information Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
A/C Compressor Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
Telltale (Check Light),Off 12V
Fuel Pump Relay,Active 0V
Spark Angle before TDC (Top Dead Centre),0 °CA
Ignition Coil Cyl. 1+4 (Cylinder),Spark
Ignition Coil Cyl. 2+5,Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 3+6 (Cylinder),Load
Knock Signal,Inactive
Knock Retard,0 °CA
Secondary Air Pump Relay,Inactive 12V
EGR Valve (Exhaust-Gas Recirculation),Inactive
EGR Position Feedback (Exhaust Gas Recirculation),0.68 V
Fuel Tank Ventilation Valve,0 %
O2 Sensor 1,673 mV
O2 Sensor 2,790 mV
O2 Sensor Loop 1,Closed
O2 Sensor Loop 2,Closed
Air/Fuel Ratio 1,Rich
Air/Fuel Ratio 2,Rich
O2-Loop 1 Integrator,137 Steps
O2-Loop 2 Integrator,119
O2-Loop 1 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 1 BLM Partial Load (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Partial Load(Block Learn Map),128 Steps
Hall Sensor,Inactive
Engine Speed Pulse,Inactive
Engine Speed,938 RPM
Idle Air Control,133 Steps
IAC Integrator (Idle Air Control),120 Steps
IAC Adaptation Slope (Idle Air Control),146 Steps
IAC Block Learn (Idle Air Control),128 Steps
Desired Idle Air,18 kg/h
Actual Value Idle Air,17 kg/h
Desired Engine Idle Speed,920 RPM
Injection Pulse,3.5 ms
Engine Load Signal,1.3 ms
TPS Load Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0 %
Vehicle Speed Pulse,Received
Vehicle Speed,0 km/h
Intake Manifold Valve 1,Inactive 12V
Intake Manifold Valve 2,Inactive 12V
Torque Control,Inactive
A/C Cutoff Relay (Air Conditioning),Inactive 12V
Diagnostic Request,Inactive 5V

motor 3,0 po cca 20 minútach

Identifier,1D
Battery Voltage,13.3 V
Immobiliser Signal,Received
Immobiliser,Active
TPS Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0.43 V
Simulated Idle Position,Active
Simulated Full Load Switch,Inactive
Mass Air Flow Sensor,0.82 V
Mass Air Flow Sensor,16 kg/h
Coolant Temperature,2.10 V
Coolant Temperature,54 °C
Intake Air Temperature,2.79 V
Intake Air Temperature,38 °C
Engine Type,6 Cylinder
Transmission Coding,Automatic Transmission
Park/Neutral Switch,P - N 0V
A/C Information Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
A/C Compressor Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
Telltale (Check Light),Off 12V
Fuel Pump Relay,Active 0V
Spark Angle before TDC (Top Dead Centre),6 °CA
Ignition Coil Cyl. 1+4 (Cylinder),Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 2+5,Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 3+6 (Cylinder),Load
Knock Signal,Inactive
Knock Retard,0 °CA
Secondary Air Pump Relay,Inactive 12V
EGR Valve (Exhaust-Gas Recirculation),Inactive
EGR Position Feedback (Exhaust Gas Recirculation),0.66 V
Fuel Tank Ventilation Valve,0 %
O2 Sensor 1,137 mV
O2 Sensor 2,215 mV
O2 Sensor Loop 1,Closed
O2 Sensor Loop 2,Closed
Air/Fuel Ratio 1,Lean
Air/Fuel Ratio 2,Lean
O2-Loop 1 Integrator,139 Steps
O2-Loop 2 Integrator,122
O2-Loop 1 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 1 BLM Partial Load (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Partial Load(Block Learn Map),128 Steps
Hall Sensor,Inactive
Engine Speed Pulse,Active
Engine Speed,816 RPM
Idle Air Control,137 Steps
IAC Integrator (Idle Air Control),122 Steps
IAC Adaptation Slope (Idle Air Control),153 Steps
IAC Block Learn (Idle Air Control),128 Steps
Desired Idle Air,13 kg/h
Actual Value Idle Air,13 kg/h
Desired Engine Idle Speed,810 RPM
Injection Pulse,3.2 ms
Engine Load Signal,1.1 ms
TPS Load Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0 %
Vehicle Speed Pulse,Not Received 12V
Vehicle Speed,0 km/h
Intake Manifold Valve 1,Inactive 12V
Intake Manifold Valve 2,Inactive 12V
Torque Control,Inactive
A/C Cutoff Relay (Air Conditioning),Inactive 12V
Diagnostic Request,Inactive 5V

Identifier,1D
Battery Voltage,13.6 V
Immobiliser Signal,Received
Immobiliser,Active
TPS Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0.43 V
Simulated Idle Position,Active
Simulated Full Load Switch,Inactive
Mass Air Flow Sensor,0.77 V
Mass Air Flow Sensor,14 kg/h
Coolant Temperature,1.81 V
Coolant Temperature,61 °C
Intake Air Temperature,2.69 V
Intake Air Temperature,40 °C
Engine Type,6 Cylinder
Transmission Coding,Manual Transmission
Park/Neutral Switch,P - N 0V
A/C Information Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
A/C Compressor Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
Telltale (Check Light),Off 12V
Fuel Pump Relay,Active 0V
Spark Angle before TDC (Top Dead Centre),7 °CA
Ignition Coil Cyl. 1+4 (Cylinder),Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 2+5,Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 3+6 (Cylinder),Load
Knock Signal,Inactive
Knock Retard,0 °CA
Secondary Air Pump Relay,Inactive 12V
EGR Valve (Exhaust-Gas Recirculation),Inactive
EGR Position Feedback (Exhaust Gas Recirculation),0.68 V
Fuel Tank Ventilation Valve,0 %
O2 Sensor 1,195 mV
O2 Sensor 2,488 mV
O2 Sensor Loop 1,Closed
O2 Sensor Loop 2,Closed
Air/Fuel Ratio 1,Lean
Air/Fuel Ratio 2,Lean
O2-Loop 1 Integrator,145 Steps
O2-Loop 2 Integrator,121
O2-Loop 1 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 1 BLM Partial Load (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Partial Load(Block Learn Map),128 Steps
Hall Sensor,Inactive
Engine Speed Pulse,Active
Engine Speed,734 RPM
Idle Air Control,143 Steps
IAC Integrator (Idle Air Control),123 Steps
IAC Adaptation Slope (Idle Air Control),152 Steps
IAC Block Learn (Idle Air Control),128 Steps
Desired Idle Air,12 kg/h
Actual Value Idle Air,12 kg/h
Desired Engine Idle Speed,750 RPM
Injection Pulse,3.2 ms
Engine Load Signal,1.1 ms
TPS Load Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0 %
Vehicle Speed Pulse,Not Received 12V
Vehicle Speed,0 km/h
Intake Manifold Valve 1,Inactive 12V
Intake Manifold Valve 2,Inactive 12V
Torque Control,Inactive
A/C Cutoff Relay (Air Conditioning),Inactive 12V
Diagnostic Request,Inactive 5V


Motor 2,5 po cca 10 minút jazde

Identifier,0D
Battery Voltage,14.0 V
Immobiliser Signal,Received
Immobiliser,Active
TPS Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0.60 V
Simulated Idle Position,Active
Simulated Full Load Switch,Inactive
Mass Air Flow Sensor,0.73 V
Mass Air Flow Sensor,12 kg/h
Coolant Temperature,1.17 V
Coolant Temperature,83 °C
Intake Air Temperature,3.04 V
Intake Air Temperature,32 °C
Engine Type,6 Cylinder
Transmission Coding,Manual Transmission
Park/Neutral Switch,P - N 0V
A/C Information Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
A/C Compressor Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
Telltale (Check Light),Off 12V
Fuel Pump Relay,Active 0V
Spark Angle before TDC (Top Dead Centre),2 °CA
Ignition Coil Cyl. 1+4 (Cylinder),Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 2+5,Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 3+6 (Cylinder),Load
Knock Signal,Inactive
Knock Retard,0 °CA
Secondary Air Pump Relay,Inactive 12V
EGR Valve (Exhaust-Gas Recirculation),Inactive
EGR Position Feedback (Exhaust Gas Recirculation),0.70 V
Fuel Tank Ventilation Valve,0 %
O2 Sensor 1,215 mV
O2 Sensor 2,644 mV
O2 Sensor Loop 1,Closed
O2 Sensor Loop 2,Closed
Air/Fuel Ratio 1,Rich
Air/Fuel Ratio 2,Lean
O2-Loop 1 Integrator,132 Steps
O2-Loop 2 Integrator,118
O2-Loop 1 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 1 BLM Partial Load (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Partial Load(Block Learn Map),128 Steps
Hall Sensor,Active
Engine Speed Pulse,Active
Engine Speed,775 RPM
Idle Air Control,146 Steps
IAC Integrator (Idle Air Control),130 Steps
IAC Adaptation Slope (Idle Air Control),157 Steps
IAC Block Learn (Idle Air Control),128 Steps
Desired Idle Air,11 kg/h
Actual Value Idle Air,11 kg/h
Desired Engine Idle Speed,750 RPM
Injection Pulse,2.7 ms
Engine Load Signal,1.0 ms
TPS Load Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0 %
Vehicle Speed Pulse,Not Received 12V
Vehicle Speed,0 km/h
Intake Manifold Valve 1,Inactive 12V
Intake Manifold Valve 2,Inactive 12V
Torque Control,Inactive
A/C Cutoff Relay (Air Conditioning),Inactive 12V
Diagnostic Request,Inactive 5V


Identifier,0D
Battery Voltage,13.8 V
Immobiliser Signal,Received
Immobiliser,Active
TPS Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0.60 V
Simulated Idle Position,Active
Simulated Full Load Switch,Inactive
Mass Air Flow Sensor,0.71 V
Mass Air Flow Sensor,11 kg/h
Coolant Temperature,1.13 V
Coolant Temperature,84 °C
Intake Air Temperature,3.04 V
Intake Air Temperature,32 °C
Engine Type,6 Cylinder
Transmission Coding,Manual Transmission
Park/Neutral Switch,P - N 0V
A/C Information Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
A/C Compressor Switch (Air Conditioning),Inactive 0V
Telltale (Check Light),Off 12V
Fuel Pump Relay,Active 0V
Spark Angle before TDC (Top Dead Centre),4 °CA
Ignition Coil Cyl. 1+4 (Cylinder),Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 2+5,Load
Ignition Coil Cyl. 3+6 (Cylinder),Load
Knock Signal,Inactive
Knock Retard,0 °CA
Secondary Air Pump Relay,Inactive 12V
EGR Valve (Exhaust-Gas Recirculation),Inactive
EGR Position Feedback (Exhaust Gas Recirculation),0.70 V
Fuel Tank Ventilation Valve,0 %
O2 Sensor 1,166 mV
O2 Sensor 2,215 mV
O2 Sensor Loop 1,Closed
O2 Sensor Loop 2,Closed
Air/Fuel Ratio 1,Lean
Air/Fuel Ratio 2,Lean
O2-Loop 1 Integrator,133 Steps
O2-Loop 2 Integrator,120
O2-Loop 1 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Idle (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 1 BLM Partial Load (Block Learn Map),128 Steps
O2-Loop 2 BLM Partial Load(Block Learn Map),128 Steps
Hall Sensor,Inactive
Engine Speed Pulse,Active
Engine Speed,734 RPM
Idle Air Control,144 Steps
IAC Integrator (Idle Air Control),128 Steps
IAC Adaptation Slope (Idle Air Control),160 Steps
IAC Block Learn (Idle Air Control),128 Steps
Desired Idle Air,10 kg/h
Actual Value Idle Air,10 kg/h
Desired Engine Idle Speed,750 RPM
Injection Pulse,2.6 ms
Engine Load Signal,0.9 ms
TPS Load Signal (Throttle Position Sensor),0 %
Vehicle Speed Pulse,Not Received 12V
Vehicle Speed,0 km/h
Intake Manifold Valve 1,Inactive 12V
Intake Manifold Valve 2,Inactive 12V
Torque Control,Inactive
A/C Cutoff Relay (Air Conditioning),Inactive 12V
Diagnostic Request,Inactive 5V

[dulo]

Takže nejaké nové zistenia.
Omega 3,0 očividne neudáva správnu teplotu motora na palubovke.

Povedal by som, že naopak. Na palubovke máš správnu teplotu. Vadné bude zrejme čidlo teploty pre RJ, ktorého hodnotu ukazuje aj OP-COM. Pravdepodobne aj preto tá vyššia spotreba a spínanie prídavného vzduchu.

takže som to od začiatku možno aj predpokladal správne
možno

[dulo]

a ešte jedna otázka: ktorý z tých nie práve málo káblov vedie k tomu snímaču? :oops:
teda, kde ho mám na motore hľadať?
Lebo, ako Lubec napísal, strana zotrváku fakt neviem kde je

[Lubec]

Tak inak, strana prevodovky, zhod sanie a chod po kablovom zvezku vstrekovacov. Cidlo ma bud bledomodry konektor alebo sivy? Zalezi od auta.

[dulo]

ľubo, ja mám zadný náhon, prevodovka je z oboch strán

[Kajo]

Chalani, budeme ešte dulovi pomáhať?
Lebo takto bude mať onedlho moc dobré auto.
Zatiaľ ešte je šanca kúpiť to od neho ako pokazené za 200 EUR.
(žart)

[dulo]

to ho radšej rozpredám

takže, pozerám sa na motor, sanie mám pred sebou, stojím pred autom. Ktorá strana? Pravá, či ľavá? Tipujem ľavú, na ktorej je EGR, alebo expanzná nádržka, alebo vzduch. filter. Tak?

[Kajo]

hint: hľadaj zozadu ako je zapaľovací modul.
Lubec nevie, že si si svojvoľne pootočil motor

[dulo]

kurňa a kde je zapaľovací modul? :roll:

sa pýtam jednoducho: pravá, či ľavá strana? čo na tom nerozumiete? :roll:



A ešte jedna vec: čo stav batérie pri naštartovanom motore? 3,0 max 13,5 a 2,5 14,0V furt

kde môže byť problém?

[Lubec]

Jak neviem, ze ma pootoceny motor, sak kua keby som napisal, ze nie strana od rozvodov tak to pochopi????
Chcete povedat,ze sotrvak a prevodovka je na strane rozvodov??? :evil:
Je snad jedno ako je ten motor otoceny.

[dulo]

sa tu bavíme jak v pakárni :roll:

ľubo, šak toto mi je úplne jasné, že vzadu-u mňa, na Omege to znamená vzadu, pri prevodovke. Toto mi je jasné.

a teraz ešte raz a naposledy: pravá alebo ľavá strana? Ja sa na motor pozerám na rozvody, aby som to urpesnil

[Lubec]

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[Lubec]

KUA V STREDE!!!
Ak by si siel po kabloch zo vstrekovacov tak by si tam dosiel.

[dulo]

dpc a kto ho tam má hľadať? :roll:

netuším, ako sa k temu dostanem, kedže u mňa je táto strana nie práve dostupná

[dulo]

asi sanie dole, čo?

[Lubec]

Asi urcite, potom sa tam v pohode dostanes.

Ale dam ti tip, skoc za Kajom ked bude spat, zasepkaj mu do ucha ,,SANIE" a on uz bude vediet co s tym.